Security - Psychologically - Talks - Saanen - Switzerland

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Security | Idea | Experience | Fear | Illusions | Reality | Actual | Relationship |


This is the video of Third public talk, by J. Krishnamurti, at Saanen, Switzerland in 1979. Audio comes in after 60 seconds.


Some quotes and questions put by Krishnaji during the talks in these video clips

* Why human beings throughout the world seek psychological security?

* One needs physical security. One must have food, clothes and shelter.

* And apparently throughout the millenia man has not been able to organize a society so that everybody could have enough food, clothes and shelter.

* Why have not human beings been able to arrange, they have capacity to organize, enough energy to see that all human beings have enough food, clothes and shelter.? That is one problem.

* Human beings are so frightened. Why does the mind cling to a particular memory, to a particular experience, hold on to a belief which has lost all meaning, why?

* Now if you see that, that when you have an ideal there must be a contradiction in your daily life because that ideal is something non real - right? Non factual. But the factual is what is happening and hence a conflict, an adjustment, an imitation, a division. So there is constantly approximating one's actions to something which is not factual. I wonder if you see? That is illusory, this is actual.

* So after talking over together, together, does one put aside ideals? If you do, then you say, is it possible then to face actually what is happening? Not in contrast to the ideal and measuring what is happening according to the ideal, but have the capacity to face what is actually going on? In that observation of what is actually taking place there is no conflict, you are watching. I wonder if you see this?

* So now we are inquiring into the question of security. And why do human beings, right throughout the world, hold on to experience? Please ask yourself. Not only sexual physical experiences but also so-called spiritual experiences, which are much more dangerous.

* You walk along by yourself or with others, you suddenly have some kind of ecstasy, some kind of delight and that experience you store it, hold on to it. The thing is over - right? There is the memory of it and one holds on to that memory, which is called experience.

* The actual word 'experience' means to go through. To go through and finish with it, not carry on in your memory that which has happened.

* Now specially in so-called psychological experiences, or religious experiences which are very, very subtle in their happenings, the human mind takes delight in something which is not ordinary. Ordinary being that which is happening everyday. And that which has happened suddenly, or which has happened after unconsciously working at it and then happening.

* Now is it, as we said, it gives them a great sense of superiority? I have had something which you fellows haven't had. That is the whole gamut of the gurus, you know, all this. "I know, you don't know." And why do human beings live in this way? Why do you or 'X' live this way? Please think it out. Let's think it over together because your experience is personal, enclosing, self-centered and the other is the same

* So we are asking: why do we find security in illusions? Please find out.

* Say for instance, envy is the common lot of all mankind - right? Envy being comparison, measurement from what I am to what you are. This measurement. Now in thinking over together why is it not possible to end that completely?

* So we have been so trained, educated to accept non-facts as being far more important than the actual. And in the non-fact we think we shall have found security. Right?

* Now the question is: the mind is seeking security - right - it wants security, it has not found security in any illusion - right? - but yet it says "I must have security." I wonder if you are following all this? So it says, "I must find security in my relationship." Obviously. "I have let go of beliefs, ideals, the experiences, the remembrances, all the nationalistic nonsense, they are all gone". But one's mind is not free from the idea of security. And from that may be the beginning of all fear. So it says, "Is there security in my relationship with another?" Go on, you are the people who are caught in this. Is there security in the image I have created about my wife? Or my husband, my girl? Obviously not. Because that image is the projection of past experience - right? And the past experience has brought about this image, and according to that image I act, which is the future. Right? Am I making this awfully difficult? So the mind is now saying: there is no security in any form of image - right? Not in relationship but in any form of having an image which thought has created from the past experience. Right?

* So in attachment we want to find security. And when you don't find it in a particular attachment you try to find it in another attachment. One is married to one person for twenty years and you are bored and you suddenly run off with somebody else which is what is happening in society, and there you are hoping to find some kind of security, excitement, sex and all the rest of it. See what we are doing sirs?

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